Session Start: Sat Nov 22 20:20:50 1997
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<Sammy> Ok...
<Sammy> Are all of you use mIRC ?
<Zephyr> i am
<vincent> I'm using mIRC
<Sammy> Oh... So, you will see that there's a @ symbol in front of the name "vincent"
<Sammy> @ means operator
<vincent> I see...
<vincent> Well only 3 people right now.
<Zephyr> ..operator have power
<Sammy> Vincent, do you know how to use operator command ?
<vincent> You mean click people or give op power?
<Zephyr> can you try to kick me out ? i haven't experienced that before
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<vincent> :)
<Sammy> Oh...
<Sammy> Haaaa...
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<Sammy> Well, may you change the topic to "Hong Kong Linux User Group" ?
<Zephyr> well
<Sammy> Vincent, may you change it ?
<vincent> failed.. :)
<vincent> Well, maybe you be the op. 
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<Sammy> "/topic #HKLUG Hong Kong Linux User Group"
<Zephyr> sorry guys,  i will be away for few minutes
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<Sammy> Oh... This is not #HKBBS ar... ANY... Haaa !
<Sammy> May I leave for a moment ? I goto sprynet to see see...
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<vincent> Ok now. We're going to start our meeting soon. with ... so 'many' people.
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<vincent> Hello qk! Welcome!
<qk> I'm Chris Tsang
<AnY> hi..
<AnY> who is chris tsang?
<qk> I'm the SysOp of "Ah! my Goddess BBS" (downed)
<vincent> Welcome Chris Tsang, Our meeting is going to start soon, once we have more people.
<qk> pls. introduce yourself
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<qk> Does sammy here?
<qk> i'm his friend.
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<Sammy> Where is Ben ?
<qk> sammy: I'm Chris Tsang
<Sammy> I knew for a long time.
<qk> why you know? I seldom use it.
<Sammy> You forgot that I ask you to irc first time ?
<qk> yes..but i wonder you can remember my nick name.
<vincent> Ok.
<Sammy> Ok...
<Sammy> Hmmm...
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<Sammy> Oh...
<vincent> guest..?
<vincent> We probably need to setup password next time?
<Sammy> Need not...
<Sammy> Ha !
<vincent> Well, let's have the meeting. But so less people.
<vincent> Quite downed.
<qk> but i do think that it's a good idea.
<qk> don't be like that la...
<qk> Just when there're people like Linux
<qk> sammy: sorry hehhe...
<vincent> Probably they're really busy, to have a regular meeting is really difficult.
<AnY> why so less people?
<Sammy> t
<Sammy> s
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<Sammy> Sorry ! Some problem occur before... Ha 1
<Sammy> Ok...
<vincent> So, firstly, I suggest that we should make a really detailed contact list of our HKLUG members.
<Sammy> Mmm...
<Sammy> But...
<vincent> With specialty field in Linux, the experience, what he's interested at, what time he's free, etc.
<Sammy> I think... if do that....
<Sammy> we may do membership registeration.
<vincent> A kind of, but in order to keep close contact and make use of human resources, we should do that first.
<vincent> We even dunno our exp. in Linux each others!
<vincent> Registration can be taken online, make use of WWW's form.
<vincent> Fairly easy, I think.
<Sammy> Mmm....
<Sammy> That's fine...
<vincent> Comments? Suggestions?
<Sammy> It is required a person to response it.
<qk> ....ermm..I think it's necessary.
<Sammy> responsible.
<qk> and we should do so really.
<Sammy> Ha !
<vincent> Yes. Thank you Chris.
<Sammy> It's not only a internet user group.
<Sammy> It should be a professional society in HK.
<qk> so the reg'd may also be done on BBS
<vincent> So a plain ASCII form, and a Web form.
<qk> And even the society, by regular mail reg'd
<vincent> That's quite far away, but anyway we should think clear before we step out, if we don't want it die 
  after 2 weeks.
<qk> haha.a.
<Sammy> ha... as similar as former HKLUG... ;)
<vincent> We shouldn't, if we try our best. :)
<qk> just see if there're enough mannal force and idea
<vincent> So, what kind of media, plain ASCII and online form?
<Sammy> qk... vincent hosted www.animenet.???.hk ka... you got my meaning la... ;>
<qk> ic..hehehehee...
<vincent> Yes. Discuss about the server matter latter, I still have lots of ideas.
<Sammy> So, you knew how is the enviroment now... qk ;)
<Sammy> I knew, Vincent. Bcs. you dunno sth.... Ha !
<Sammy> vincent, in the mailing list of HKLUG kept by me and Ben...
<Sammy> not 100% BBS sysops.
<Sammy> But... now...
<vincent> What??
<Sammy> in this channel....
<Sammy> 100% are BBS Sysop in HK.
<vincent> You open a BBS?
<Sammy> I was Sportnet NC.
<Sammy> I am iTNet HK Host.
<vincent> Oh well. :)
<Sammy> AnY is Anywhere BBS (Chris Tang)
<vincent> Anywhere BBS, seems I have an account here.
<Sammy> QK is xxx BBS (forgot! sorry !) (Chris Tsang)
<Sammy> That's all
<qk> well.... i'm sysop too but i'm too busy to open it..so it down for while ha.
<vincent> Ok...
<AnY> AnyWhere Board <- correct name :)
<qk> anyone know if there're BBS called "Hydrogen BBS" ? if not i'll occupy it :)
<vincent> ...
<qk> okay hehee...
<Sammy> Back to HKLUG ! This is the end of BBS matters...
<vincent> Thanks Sammy.
<Sammy> I just want to tell qk and vincent about that only.
<vincent> So a registration form will be made?
<Sammy> Mmm...
<Sammy> What's the use of it first ?
<qk> i think so.
<Sammy> And...
<vincent> Currently I can think of:
<qk> i mean, i agree with vincent.
<Sammy> About the promotion on newsgroup,
<vincent> 1) to make a more descriptive user list of the members.
<Sammy> I posted it to hk.comp.pc, hk.software and hk.unix.
<vincent> 2) To find experienced Linux users to support our works (committes or forum moderators, etc.)
<Sammy> How to progress with the information we got ?
<Sammy> I think the members in committee should got some FREE time to handle HKLUG.
<vincent> So in the form, should ask him if he is interested to be our committes.
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<Rice41> hi
<vincent> Welcome Rice41, Linux supporter?
<Sammy> Yeap !
<vincent> fine! :)
<Rice41> yes, remember 'hacker'??
<qk> welcome
<vincent> ah yes. :)
<Sammy> He is ¶º µJ !
<qk> OoOooo, ic.
<vincent> Ok, so any comments about the usage of the form?
<vincent> form data.
<AnY> hacker???
<Sammy> Please check your ICQ online list freq'ly to see anyone who are Linux users online.
<vincent> Hello?
<Sammy> Yes ?
<vincent> So we'll proceed the form.
<vincent> ?
<Sammy> Rice, we're talking about...
<Sammy> Make a WWW HKLUG membership (TEMPORY) form on internet
<Sammy> to know the details of us.
<Rice41> ic
<Sammy> Such as... experiences on Linux... etc...
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<WillWill> hi sammy
<vincent> Welcome! 
<Rice41> IMO, not too many ppl in the list show up??
<Sammy> Will Will, we're talking about
<WillWill> hi vincent
<vincent> Better than half hours before.
<Sammy> Make a WWW HKLUG membership (TEMPORY) form on internet
<Sammy> to know the details of us.
<WillWill> ®@...
<Sammy> Such as... experiences on Linux... etc...
<Sammy> Bcs. we dunno other people's experiences.
<WillWill> sorry, i have no experience in Linux
<Rice41> has anyone read the Linux user group HOWTO??
<Sammy> Willwill, then, do you interested to use Linux ?
<Sammy> Oh...
<WillWill> «§¾¤?
<Sammy> URL pls, RIce !
<WillWill> something like unix?
<Sammy> Linux... a OS similar to Unix.
<vincent> a FREE OS simular to UNIX, can use most applications that's for UNIX. :)
Session Close: Sat Nov 22 21:08:37 1997

Session Start: Sat Nov 22 21:18:13 1997
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<vintam> Hello...
-> [[DoM]] VERSION
-> [[DoM]] USERINFO
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<qk> I come back la :)
<vintam> Welcome back...
<Sammy> Let's continue
<Sammy> Or...
<Sammy> make another channel...
<qk> where vicent ?
<Sammy> no opr function here...
<vintam> I cannot use vincent
<vintam> Looks like someone controlled the channels.
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<Sammy> vintam = Vincent Tam = AnimeNet ­Ó XXX law...
<vintam> What XXX? :)
<Sammy> «} XXX law...
<qk> i.e. ?
<vintam> well ok, we can continue?
<qk> Ower?
<Sammy> Go ahead...
<qk> Owner, i mean
<Sammy> Now,
<Sammy> Now, should we create a new channel on this server ?
<vintam> why?
<Sammy> Because none of us are opr.
<Sammy> Even Dominic Fung always ONLINE !
<Sammy> Ha...
<AnY> let dom offline
<vintam> Someone started a demon?
<Sammy> (Also 100% SysOp here)
<Sammy> I think Dominic Fung started a demon here.
<Sammy> Red Hat Linux 5.0 will be released on December.
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<SammyFung> right...
<vintam> Well. :)
<SammyFung> Ok...
<SammyFung> Go on this channel la... ¾c !
<SammyFung> Die Dom...
<SammyFung> go ahead...
<vintam> If we're going to send the form, let's discuss the form's details.
<SammyFung> Vincent ¥S , go ahead...
<SammyFung> Ok...
<SammyFung> Now, let's vote...
<vintam> Currently I can think of:
<SammyFung> Please type AGREE/DISAGREE ....
<SammyFung> <- AGREE
<vintam> (Are they active?)
<SammyFung> [vintam PING reply]: 1 secs
<SammyFung> [qk PING reply]: 9 secs
<SammyFung> Go ahead, Vincent
<SammyFung> qk... here ?
<vintam> AnY, qk?!
<SammyFung> I think [DoM] opened his FTP...
<AnY> hi..
<SammyFung> And someone is downloading files...
<AnY> me too
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<vintam> Probably not..
<SammyFung> Oh... Maybe qk's dialup connection lost.
<vintam> Likely.
<SammyFung> [[DoM] PING reply]: 12 secs
<SammyFung> AnY's Ping still no return
<AnY> sammy!
<AnY> here?!
<AnY> ha?!
<AnY> hey!
<SammyFung> here arr
<vintam> OK..
<vintam> So what's the result??
* AnY is away, brb, sth really important! [log:ON] [page:ON] 
  [email:chriztang@hotmail.com]
<SammyFung> Go ahead vin...
<vintam> Currently the fields I can think of:
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<SammyFung> Real Name
<vintam> Real Name, Nick Name, e-mail, ICQ, home/mobile/pager phone
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<SammyFung> Contact Phone no. (Either mobile/home/page)
<SammyFung> Right !
<vintam> Homepage, Extra contact methods, Major in Linux, Linux exp., join date,
<vintam> Last update, Interested to be committe (Y/N)?
<SammyFung> Studying/working...
<SammyFung> if studying...
<vintam> Let me add it into my details.
<SammyFung> which college/univ... dept. name ... course name...
<SammyFung> if working...
<SammyFung> in computing or not....
<SammyFung> if computing... major in what duties.... programming/internet/operati
   ng/techincal; supprot
<vintam> Or probably Working field?
<SammyFung> etc...
<vintam> The field of working maybe more wider range? :)
<SammyFung> I mean...
<SammyFung> Working ? 
<SammyFung> If yes, is it related to computing ?
<SammyFung> If related to computing, what's it major for ? programming ? 
   internet ... ?
<vintam> I think, if there the questions are too DEEP make it too difficult to 
  fill.
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<SammyFung> lost connection arr..
<SammyFung> rename now...
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<SammyFung> :)
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<SammyFung> "/nick ChrisTsan"
<SammyFung> ok
<SammyFung> vin, go on
<qk> how's the discussion?
<vintam> Welcome back.. 
<vintam> Discussing the fields in the form.
<SammyFung> discussing the field should be appear on the form
<qk> we've what fields now?
<vintam> (god we gotta list it out?!?!)
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<SammyFung> ss
<SammyFung> <vintam> Homepage, Extra contact methods, Major in Linux, Linux 
   exp., join date,
<SammyFung> <vintam> Last update, Interested to be committe (Y/N)?
<SammyFung> Ok ?
<vintam> Well?
<SammyFung> Anyone here ?
<SammyFung> Why no response ? :~~~~
<vintam> Ai..
<SammyFung> Slow response... :~~~
<SammyFung> Vincent received my ICQ request... ?
<vintam> If working, then we have a list of work type for them to choose.
<vintam> Line  1
<vintam> Line  2
<vintam> Line  3
<vintam> Line  4
<vintam> Line  5
<vintam> Line  6
<vintam> Line  7
<vintam> Line  8
<vintam> Line  9
<vintam> Line 10
<vintam> But why?
<SammyFung> OK
<vintam> OK, should we continue?
<SammyFung> I felt yours are quite inactive... suddenly.
<SammyFung> Any other IRC server in HK ?
<SammyFung> Or change to ICQ ?
<vintam> chat.netvigator.com
<SammyFung> Let's try it...
<SammyFung> But....
<vintam> ICQ is also ok..
<SammyFung> Comic Chat...
<SammyFung> Mmm..
<SammyFung> try ICQ ?
<vintam> netvigator seems doesn't work with IRC
<SammyFung> Yes, I knew... so I said.... "Comic Chat..."
<vintam> I don't use it.
<SammyFung> Goto.... ICQ la... ok ?
<qk> i'm here.
<vintam> qk's back..
<SammyFung> No... I said... chat.netvigator,com is "Comic chat"
<qk> .....wah....why?
<qk> irc is quite good already.
<vintam> AnY??????????????????
<SammyFung> Back la... qk....
<SammyFung> Bcs. you disappear law...\
<SammyFung> Haaaa
<vintam> Please notify before leave.
<qk> oOo ic.
<SammyFung> Actually.... just we 3 to chat only...
* qk attending.
<qk> hahaa...ic.
<SammyFung> or.. use conference chat by voice ?
<SammyFung> Haaa...
<SammyFung> or... continue in here ?
<vintam> Typing is more suitable for my data.
<SammyFung> let's vote...
<qk> no thanks, i hate the quality of it, although i've never tried.
<qk> vote for?
<SammyFung> Sprynet/ICQ/Voice/... ?
<qk> I vote for state here.
<vintam> Stay here > ICQ > Voice
<qk> or maybe you would like to reopen the channel in order to get the Op, 
   that's fine.
<SammyFung> Ok
<SammyFung> Now, vote.... :
<SammyFung> Here/new channel...
<vintam> I don't think there is any problems, just they leave the mIRC..
<SammyFung> ideas... pls...
<qk> New Channel.
<vintam> no comment.
<SammyFung> Vintam support "Here" ?
<qk> I think so, vintam.
<SammyFung> Oh...
<SammyFung> Here la...
<SammyFung> Less changing is better.. (Die Boy Bread Dom)
<qk> .......................
<SammyFung> :
<qk> so continue our discuss.
<SammyFung> :)
<vintam> Yes, more fields!
<SammyFung> Go ahead la... Vincent ¥S !
<vintam> More USEFUL fields!
<SammyFung> Yes ?
<qk> Field: income
<SammyFung> Ha !
<vintam> Does it matter?
<vintam> For us?
<SammyFung> Income... Ha !
<SammyFung> Mmm...
<SammyFung> you should say...
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<SammyFung> How much should we pay for HKLUG annually for membership.
<vintam> Still a long way to go before getting membership fee.
<vintam> I think.
* SammyFung Waiting for Vincent ¥S Á¿ ³¥ .
* qk back
<vintam> Age, I forgot it.
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<SammyFung> Mmm....
<qk> vinam, of course......it's just something basic inform
<qk> vintam, sorry.
<SammyFung> Wilkin ? > ALZ
<SammyFung> ......
<vintam> Can you think any fields?
<qk> what's "ALZ" ?
<SammyFung> No la...
* /ban: you don't have Ops
* vintam slaps ALPHAZiP around a bit with a large trout
<qk> Field suggestion: does they own BBS, etc.
<SammyFung> And... today, I received a Linux user... it seems he's working.
<SammyFung> Ha... qk... Ha Ha !
<vintam> Hmm...
<vintam> Probably some relationship, so do they own or play BBS?
<vintam> (Still thinking if it is related to HKLUG)
<qk> reason: maybe other then internet, BBS is good place to exchange and 
   promote Linux
<vintam> Probably, But nowadays I found that many and many BBS users goto 
  Internet.
<SammyFung> I think if you say... open Linux BBS....
<SammyFung> Ha... Actually, I am considering to open an Linux BBS.
<qk> maybe....haha...but difficult wor.........
<vintam> Linux BBS? A lot harder job and a lot less support programs. :)
<SammyFung> But my current BBS's PC havn't CDROM... :~~~
<qk> how come we got facility to open BBS just for Linux.
<vintam> Use disks law.
<SammyFung> And my NFS on my P5 is under setting...
<SammyFung> Have ka... qk...
<qk> sammy: that's not a problem, is it?
<SammyFung> Red Hat Powertools provides some files on some FTP....
<SammyFung> including.... Haa...
<SammyFung> including BBS too...
<vintam> Well ok.
<SammyFung> I need an Linux book (English) to refer to law...
<SammyFung> ... to set nfs
<vintam> I wanna find some time to try out nfs, if I have time.
<SammyFung> Vincent, may you host the questionarie on your server ?
<SammyFung> And... also... Vincent... I think the form is in Chinese and English.
<vintam> Put the HKLUG page temporary to my server is ok, but shouldn't last 
  long.
<vintam> I don't trust my current network connection, too.
<vintam> (We talked for an hour only on form matters!)
<SammyFung> Sure 1
<SammyFung> NFS = Network File System
<SammyFung> such as...
<SammyFung> I have 2 PC..
<SammyFung> my P5 is called i5.chunwah.com
<vintam> b'cos nfs create security problem, so I don't tried it in my company. :)
<SammyFung> and another is called bbs.chunwah.com
<qk> ok
<SammyFung> i5:/mnt/cdrom -> bbs:/mnt/i3
<SammyFung> you may think it's Anywhere or Doorway...
<qk> ic
<vintam> Back to the form.
<vintam> I'll add:
<vintam> Do you play BBS?
<SammyFung> ie... mount another host's file to your file system.
<vintam> Do you own a BBS?
<SammyFung> Ok...
<SammyFung> Who ? 
<vintam> yes?
<vintam> I mean in the form.
<vintam> form question.
<SammyFung> ic
<SammyFung> Vincent is working ?
<vintam> Yes.
<qk> okay la: Just find someone to make the draft of the form and then we give 
   suggestions, use or not use.
<vintam> Then I'll prepare it.
<qk> so who do it?
<SammyFung> working for... ?
<qk> okay
<vintam> My job nature?
<SammyFung> Yes.
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<vintam> Computer Related. :)
<SammyFung> Good in Linux ?
<SammyFung> or Unix...
<vintam> From installation hardware, software, general administration, 
  programming, database,
<vintam> HTML, cgi, SQL, etc.
<SammyFung> Who's chicken-B again.... ?
<SammyFung> B Head ?
<ALPHAZiP> chicken?
<SammyFung> Siew Ka-Chun ?
<Chicken-B> Chicken BBS.....Siew Ka-Chun 
<vintam> Hello!
<SammyFung> Right...
<Chicken-B> Hello All....
<SammyFung> Linux user ? > Siew
<qk> and i'm a Form Six student.
<Chicken-B> I had play linux in office....
<qk> hi chicken.
<Chicken-B> hi qk
<vintam> Our company use Linux, too. :)
<SammyFung> I was Dip. Compu major Communication holder....
<qk> so you're working.
<vintam> I said so..
<SammyFung> I am studying Software engineering year 2 (direct entry)... :~~~
<SammyFung> (But working is better.... I feel... )
<vintam> Depends on where you work...
<qk> yeap............
<SammyFung> Go on...
<Chicken-B> i am working in the Network computer company
<SammyFung> Oh ?!
<vintam> Very good!
<qk> so we'll have the draft on............<date> ...?
<Chicken-B> HKLUG will rebuild?
<SammyFung> now.
<vintam> Yes.
<SammyFung> by Vincent Tam...
<Chicken-B> Now?
<vintam> By US!
<qk> chicken: we want to do so
<SammyFung> Rebuild : No.
<qk> sammy: so "reopen"
<SammyFung> Making membership registeration form : By Vin....
<Chicken-B> What think we need to do ?
<SammyFung> 100% SysOp !!!
<Chicken-B> Of course la..... hehe
<SammyFung> Statistics :
<SammyFung> BBS SysOp on this channel = 100%
<Chicken-B> WHo is AnY?   Anywhere board?
<vintam> Starting from a form to collect the data on Linux supporters in Hong 
  Kong, first.
<qk> so there're someone to make the draft form first, and then we give 
   additional suggestions.
<qk> agree?
<Chicken-B> If HKLUG reopen, What think can get? (SYSOP) 
<vintam> If someone can do this for me, I can send him the field list I 
  collected currently. :)
<Chicken-B> I agree....
<vintam> Actually, I'm fairly busy work my work, too.
<vintam> with my work..
<qk> so....who're free to make the draft? (sorry i'm too busy currently...)
<qk> [DoM]: are you here ?
<vintam> Hello?
<qk> and what about AnY ?
<Chicken-B> SammyFung ...
* SammyFung is away to do sth.
<Chicken-B> AnY is Chris Tang?
<vintam> No one response again?
<qk>  Any and dom, are you here ?????
<Chicken-B> Who make the draft?
<vintam> If no one takes the job I'll handle it temporary.
<Chicken-B> Why no one answer?
<vintam> (erh...)
<vintam> How about you, Chicken-B? Are you interested to help us?
<Chicken-B> What i need to do?
<vintam> For the draft. :)
<Chicken-B> Oh....
<qk> 2make a draft form for HKLUG supporter to reg'd
<Chicken-B> Why SammyFung no do it ... ?
* AnY has returned, do u miss me?!. (gone 49m13s)
<Chicken-B> AnY: Where?
<qk> yea yea... very miss you ;)
<vintam> yes a long period of time!
<Chicken-B> Miss You ar......   :)
<AnY> hi..
<qk> any: will you interested to do a draft for HKLUG supporter to reg'd ?
<AnY> ah?
<qk> a draft form
<AnY> i dunno much abt it.. better invite some experienced ppl to do that :)
<vintam> I've collected the field list, need to find someone to tidy it into a 
  form.
<Chicken-B> hehe AnY
<AnY> siew ka-chun..
<AnY> #hkbbs
<Chicken-B> Who do ar? 
<vintam> Ai... why so hard to find someone to do something, we need some 
  contributors to maintain our group!
<Chicken-B> Oh..No...
<vintam> ...
<Chicken-B> Here?
<vintam> Ok, let's go on first.
<vintam> ????
<qk> .....any people here ?
<vintam> Reply.
<vintam> I am here! :)
<qk> okay.
<Chicken-B> i am here.....but other
<qk> you know.. i've just go to type my hw, and finished the calculation part of 
   the chem report...and while i back, just 1 people say few lines thing!
<vintam> qk you're so busy...
<Chicken-B> Why other sysop not answer....?
<qk> ...yeap...
* /msg: no nick specified
-> *Chicken-B* That's the problem of IRC, cannot control the leave of people...
<qk> cause waiting people answer...so i make use of the time to do hw lor... you 
   know i use comp to type chem report every week
<ALPHAZiP> no one is talking ??????
<Chicken-B> I am Here....
<qk> :~ alphazip...
<vintam> If we have the form, where should we post it?
<Chicken-B> Post it or email ?
<qk> pls. attendion: we need a draft of HKLUG supporter Reg'd Form
<qk> both.
<qk> if no time... just write a simple email to request for info.
<vintam> Yes, good idea.
<vintam> If only a simple format is ok, I'll prepare it tonight.
<Chicken-B> Yes...
<vintam> Once the simple form is created, then where should we post it? 
<qk> :~
<Chicken-B> What need to prepare ?
<qk> included in HKLUG adv la
<vintam> Don't waste time, we already spent 2 hrs on form matters. (too bad 
  actually).
<vintam> I mean, where to post it.
<vintam> Who play Internet BBS here?
<Chicken-B> Send it to SammyFung .... ok?
<qk> like:    Welcome anyone to join HKLUG, if interested, pls. state your name, 
   age...etc.... and we'll reply you as soon as possible.....hahahaa..
<vintam> Ok.
<Chicken-B> Ok.....I agree
<vintam> I need Sammy's reply....!!!
<vintam> :(
<qk> wah... sammy idle for 23 mins !?
<vintam> That's one of the reason I hate IRC - you can't control when a person 
  leave physically!
<qk> OOoOo..ic...
<Chicken-B> hehehe.... 
<vintam> And when you need him...
<qk> so ourself should be more responsive.....e.g. tell other "I'm busying"
<qk> "ourselves", sorry.
<SammyFung> Send what to me ?
* SammyFung is back.
<vintam> Better provide a range of time to leave..
<vintam> Welcome back...!
<qk> ha...good idea.
<Chicken-B> All: If here please answer la...
<Chicken-B> here!
<vintam> I'll send you the field list tomorrow, Sammy.
<vintam> Containing the type of info. we need to collect for the members.
<vintam> Please distribute to the others and invite them to fill it. :)
<Chicken-B> Who send it to me ar... ?
<vintam> Also, the form can be attached into the ADs of the HKLUG to the public.
<vintam> Sammy: Are you still active in BBS world?
<Chicken-B> send it by BBS....
<SammyFung> Siew Ka-Chun, did you send your info to me by either email/icq about 
   HKLUG ?
<Chicken-B> I had see the info of my icq in the list....do you see it?
<Chicken-B> ICQ : 795925
<SammyFung> Viewing History
<vintam> Waiting for you. :)
<SammyFung> Ar, Siew, Yes, I got it.
<SammyFung> Vincent, my BBS is still open, but recently I less login my BBS...
<SammyFung> And I just goto my iTNet mainly also...
<SammyFung> But, if you want me to promote on BBS World, I may try...
<vintam> Would you mind to post HKLUG ADs with the app. form to some BBS 
  networks msg. area?
<SammyFung> But we need some other sysops to assist too.
<vintam> Yes, thank you.
<SammyFung> No problem.
<vintam> With other BBSes help, it would be a great asset!
<qk> and mine even closed...bcs of heavy work of form six studying.
<SammyFung> vincent still operate BBS ?
<vintam> Yes.
<vintam> Who play Internet BBSes?
<SammyFung> I tried 1 only..
<vintam> telnet BBSes in Hong Kong?
<SammyFung> I tried 1 time only.
<vintam> Oh it's ok. :)
<SammyFung> bbs.org.hk
<qk> i play sometime.
<Chicken-B> Finish?
<qk> but mainly for getting something like games walkthrough
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<Zep> hi ! sorry!
<vintam> qk, would you mind to post some ADs for HKLUG to HK's Internet BBSes?
<qk> .........okay..but start from next week...la..
<vintam> qk: OK, it'll start after we finished the form and the AD's details.
<qk> sammy: you can give me the ADs
<vintam> Sammy: You also familar with HK's newsgroups?
<qk> Aspirin brand: EXCEDRIN
<qk> Cost = $21.4 per 24 tablets
<qk> Active ingredient: Acetaminophen 250mg, Aspirin 250mg, Caffeine 65mg
<qk> no. of mole of H2SO4 used = 0.05005 x 18.35/1000 = 9.18x10-4 mol
<qk> no. of mole of NaOH in 25cm3 of the solution = 1.84x10-3 mol
<qk> no. of mole of NaOH used for hydration = 0.025 - 1.84x10-3x10 = 0.0066 mol
<qk> no. of mole of 2-ethanoyloxybenzoic acid in one aspirin tablet 
<qk> = 0.0066 / 2 / 2 = 0.00165 mol
<qk> mass of 2-ethanoyloxybenzoic acid in one aspirin tablet
<qk> = 0.00165 x (12.0x9 + 8 + 16.0x4) = 297mg
<qk> Differences between the packet stated = 47mg
<qk> Cost per tablet = 21.4 / 24 =
<qk> sorry...
<vintam> ????
<qk> sorry..
<qk> sorry!!!!!!
<qk> Sorry... i pressed shift-insert wrongly.....hehehe.e..
<vintam> Hello All?
<qk> i'm...here........
<SammyFung> Sorry.... back :)))
<Chicken-B> here
<Zep> i 'm here
<vintam> Sammy, are you familar with ADs to HK's newsgroup, too? :)
<SammyFung> Vin, I posted the adv. to around 6 newsgruop in HK inclusive 
   StarForum
<SammyFung> Who's Zep ?
<SammyFung> Vin, I posted the adv. to around 6 newsgruop in HK inclusive 
   StarForum
<Chicken-B> Sysop of BBS ZEP?
<Zep> sorry, actually is zephyr
<SammyFung> Ic...
<SammyFung> Welcoem Zephur...
<SammyFung> Are you working ? > Zephur
<Zep> no...studying
<SammyFung> Have ICQ ? > Zep
<vintam> Sammy: So newsgroup will also rely on you la. :)
<SammyFung> O...K... too... :~~~
<SammyFung> Bcs. it is not freq'ly to post them...
<Zep> my icq name is Allen, i think you 've added me, Sammy
<SammyFung> And... I hopes some compu. newspaper will talk about HKLUG la... 
   HAAAA !
<vintam> What newsgroups you will post to, Sammy? Please list it for me, thanks. 
  :)
<SammyFung> I see.. Zep
<qk> sammy: soon...hehehee...
<SammyFung> Zep: Study Compu ?
<SammyFung> hknet.general
<SammyFung> hk.comp.os.unix
<vintam> Once we're bigger and bigger, and we do our best, I'm sure we'll appear 
  to public.
<SammyFung> hk.comp.pc
<SammyFung> hk.comp.software
<SammyFung> starforum........unix\
<SammyFung> starforum.........software
<SammyFung> That's all Vin
<Chicken-B> Oh...Great...
<qk> vintam: maybe we can post our info to computer magazine when HKLUG become 
   muture.
<Chicken-B> We need to fill the form to you?  SammyFung
<vintam> How about hk.comp.os.unix
<SammyFung> HKPUG already published on newspaper la...
<vintam> hk.comp.os.linux?
<Zep> no such group
<SammyFung> hk.comp.os.unix...
<SammyFung> no linux in HK.
<vintam> oh I see.
<SammyFung> But I hopes so... Ha !
<qk> what's HKPUG then?
<qk> Pentium user group ?! ha...?
<vintam> Pilot User Group
<SammyFung> Zep... Study computer in CityU ?
<qk> Pilot !!!!!!!!???????????
<SammyFung> Yes, vin correct... Pilot arr... qk
<qk> it's just a small machine!
<Zep> why you know that?
<SammyFung> Yes... refer to either EconTimes...
<vintam> I read news on the net. :)
<SammyFung> But... there's a member in HKPUG is a parttime author in ITTime of 
   EchoTIme
<qk> how come "game machine" like pilot is so famous.....
<vintam> Also from EconTimes.
<SammyFung> echotime -> econtime
<Zep> I think HKMUG is the most popular group now
<vintam> Pilot is quite useful, not really bad.
<SammyFung> Mac ?
<qk> maybe.
<vintam> Probably they have money..
<SammyFung> Zep: Bcs. your email is cityu law...
<Chicken-B> $$$
<qk> but only if i'v money to try Pilot.
<SammyFung> Zep: are you study compu then ?
<SammyFung> 2XXX for ploit
<Zep> yes
<SammyFung> WAI ! We're HKLUG !
<vintam> So you'll post to hk.comp.unix too? Sammy?
<qk> yeA!
<SammyFung> I just provide an EXAMPLE only.
<SammyFung> I posted 2 days ago... Vin
<vintam> It's great to sync. e-mail with pop server on Linux. :)
<Chicken-B> yes..
<vintam> if possible. Haha.
<SammyFung> Zep: Degree(sand) or HD ?
<qk> so weiard! if Pilot have UG then Tamagochi have UG too!!!
<Chicken-B> Novell
<SammyFung> I have some old classmates in both Deg(Sand) and HD too...
<vintam> Sammy: So fast.
<Zep> hd
*** SammyFung changes topic to "Hong Kong LINUX User Group"
<SammyFung> Zep: Year 1 ?
<vintam> Pilot is really useful, once you're working and got busy with tons of 
  memo and meetings...
<Zep> yes
<vintam> I want to have once, if I have spare money.
<qk> Linux is really useful when you wanna open network
<qk> hahaa.
<SammyFung> Zep: Do you know "Oscar Poon" or "Lily Lee" ?
<vintam> It's excellent for network server.
<Chicken-B> NetWare 411 ?
<SammyFung> Linux
<qk> I think, Perfect, up to now.
<SammyFung> Linux....
<SammyFung> Linux... Wow... Great !
<vintam> #1 point is price and #2 is its performance.
<SammyFung> I love Linux.
<qk> me too
<Chicken-B> me too too.
<SammyFung> Are you talking Linux ? > Vin
<vintam> yes. We're HKLUG
<Zep> but we can't get rid of windows ...
<qk> so we use X lor...
<SammyFung> Are you talking Linux > Siew and...  qj
<SammyFung> ql
<SammyFung> qk
<SammyFung> X-Win...
<qk> XFree86
<Chicken-B> yes....of course la..
<SammyFung> Actually, I use gcc more... ha...
<SammyFung> write system programming or shell programming.
<vintam> Wanna try them out... sigh. I need some time.
<SammyFung> Do anyone know any freeware SQL ?
<SammyFung> for linux...
<vintam> MySQL
<SammyFung> Ar Vin ¥S , you knew SQL...
<SammyFung> Oh... URL pls... and what's the size is it ?
<vintam> www.tcx.se
<Chicken-B> SQL Unix
<vintam> Around 5M untared. I forgot.
<SammyFung> Wa.....
<SammyFung> tared ?
<qk> so small...haha
<SammyFung> what's the size...
<vintam> Excellent. When combine with perl or php/fi with your Web Server.
<qk> no
<Zep> ...a little question, can we change the ctime of a file ?
<SammyFung> Complete sentence is... "after tared, what's the size it is ?
<SammyFung> Haaa... qk... got it... ?
<vintam> Sammy: Around 3-4M I guess.
<vintam> [Everyone] Can we continue our meeting soon?
<qk> emmmm
<Chicken-B> let start
<qk> 10 times the tar size.......haha..just kidding.
<SammyFung> Go...
<qk> i don't know actually.
<SammyFung> HKLUG CONFERENCE...
<SammyFung> What should we discuss nextly ?
<Chicken-B> Go... Go..
<vintam> I suggest that we should post the complete user list regularly to our 
  members.
<Chicken-B> The Form
<vintam> that's the end I think, Chicken. :)
<Chicken-B> Yes..
<SammyFung> We are doing that already.
<SammyFung> But there's 1 problem...
<vintam> How often now, Sammy?
<vintam> Please state.
<SammyFung> sometimes posted by me... sometime posted by Ben...
<Chicken-B> What problem
<vintam> Ok, should standardize it. 
<SammyFung> I think we should find ONLY 1 guy to handle it.
<SammyFung> When we got new users, we updated it (at least 1 day)
<vintam> Also, using cc: is not a good method, make the mail like a junk mail!
<SammyFung> No....
<SammyFung> not cc...
<qk> update per week i suggested.
<vintam> I also agree qk's suggestion.
<SammyFung> I just put alias "HKLUG" on the sender line...
<SammyFung> using Eudora
<SammyFung> OK.
<vintam> That's fine, Sammy. :)
<qk> if not cc then bcc lor...
<SammyFung> And I suggest to put it to homepage...
<Chicken-B> 1 day is too..... 1 week is ok
<Chicken-B> Who homepage?
<SammyFung> the conditions are 2 :
<vintam> Sammy: Agree.
<vintam> HKLUG homepage!
<SammyFung> 1. At least 1 day differ with last updated
<Chicken-B> yes,,'
<SammyFung> 2. Have new users.
<SammyFung> They're our old policies to update it...
<SammyFung> Now...
<Chicken-B> Use the JAVa
<SammyFung> changed to WEEKLY...
<SammyFung> ok ?
<SammyFung> Use Java ?
<vintam> Vote or what?
<SammyFung> Actually, I less programming Java, CGI and Perl.
<SammyFung> I think vin..... haaaaaa.... ;)
<vintam> I'm quite often. :)
<Chicken-B> I heard that, Use JAVA can do it auto
<vintam> (no in Java applet)
<Chicken-B> yes
<vintam> OK, weekly update user list?
<qk> perl then.
<qk> anyway.
<Chicken-B> yes
<qk> Agree.
<SammyFung> I want to ask...
<Chicken-B> Agree ?
<SammyFung> nothing to ask.... cancelled.
<vintam> Who'll handle it? Sammy or Ben?
<SammyFung> QK, are you still in compu club of your sch. ?
<SammyFung> Ben la... I suggest.... reduce my workload...
<qk> yes.
<Chicken-B> How old are you? SammyFung
<SammyFung> Coz. I am handling a lot of things from different body.
<qk> I've been the Chair of comput since there're computer club.
<SammyFung> Just 20. Quite YOUNG !
<SammyFung> Ha Ha !
<Chicken-B> Same As me....
<vintam> Sammy: I'm asking him
<vintam> I'm 20, too.
<SammyFung> qk, now? are you in compu club ?
<qk> but i'm 17 ja wor!
<SammyFung> But I am a student only... little student...
<SammyFung> Working have more experiences... I am wondering it...
<qk> Yes, I'm in school's computer club, and is the chairperson every year.
<SammyFung> I always think to give up my studies and go to work... Ha !
<SammyFung> qk: so.... HKLUG... promotion... in your school... Haaaaaa !
<vintam> Sammy: Choose your work wisely ah, otherwise it'll be too boring for 
  you. :)
<SammyFung> qk: even your sch.... haaaa
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<qk> sammy:................... if i'm you......... if i find the job, i will do 
   it at once.
<Chicken-B> hehe...... Working is too hard to earn the $$$
<SammyFung> promotion on BBS and newsgroup in HK.
<SammyFung> Eddit, you're welcome, what's your name ?
<SammyFung> Eddie....
<Eddiet> ?
<Chicken-B> Eddit, ARe you a Sysop?
<vintam> Hello Eddie, are you Linux supporter?
<Eddiet> yeh
<qk> sammy: no problem...but just when HKLUG mature, at least we've something 
   like membership policy.
<Eddiet> no, why?
<SammyFung> Eddie, are your email in our mailing list ?
<SammyFung> I should say... what's your email addr.... ?
<Eddiet> what mail list?
<Chicken-B> maybeno.... i had not see him
<SammyFung> We want to identify who're you...
<SammyFung> But we're welcome new users too...
<Eddiet> yeh, I am here in first time
<vintam> Let's continue, next topic, ok?
<Eddiet> ic now, u are all member of linux uer group
<vintam> We're trying to bring it back to 'life'. :)
<Chicken-B> Welcome you eddiet...
<SammyFung> Well...
<SammyFung> Eddie, former HKLUG is closed.
<SammyFung> Now, we would like to reopen it, so we created a channel here.
<Eddiet> ic, I seldom to use linux
<vintam> You may call 'reformation'. But seems none of us are old HKLUG's 
  members.
<Eddiet> but used for few time
<SammyFung> Where do you know this channel ? From list on this server ? or 
   newsgroup ?
<vintam> hello?
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<vintam> Oh left.
<Chicken-B> oh...No........
<Chicken-B> He is afriad....hehe
<vintam> Let's go on. :)
<qk> just when we know his email, we can request for his info...............
<qk> so......... let him go..............
<Chicken-B> but he left.... :*
<vintam> topic: Where will be our regular activity places?
<SammyFung> Vin is Ghost... so he is afraid.. ;>
<Chicken-B> :)
<SammyFung> Go back HKLUG...
<SammyFung> Speaker... pls... Vin...
<vintam> topic: Where will be our regular activity places?
<vintam> starforum.comp.unix?
<SammyFung> Actually... Originally I want to ask yours to come out..
<SammyFung> But I think... so... I said that we have irc here.
<vintam> irc has many pos. and neg. 
<vintam> it's quick and easy, but hard to find large no. of people and make them 
  concentrate. :)
<vintam> So should we find some 'regular gathering places'?
<qk> so.....video conference la
<SammyFung> Sure...
<vintam> :)
<Chicken-B> oh..
<vintam> On the net, I mean.
<qk> where we live then?
<qk> on the net ar...
<vintam> On the net.
<SammyFung> Of course not, little qk... Ha ! What's nice joke.
<vintam> one of the good place is starforum.comp.unix..hehe...
<qk> may we apply form to open news group "hk.comp.hklug" ?
<vintam> We should do open meeting in the future, too.
<SammyFung> Oh... I go to Kln 4 days a week at least, so I don't feel it's 
   difficult...
<vintam> Who has exp. to apply newsgroup?
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<Wylie> hi~ all!
<AnY> bi..
<AnY> back..i mean
<vintam> Hello!
<Chicken-B> oh,,,, Where Any?....too late
<AnY> hello..
<Wylie> what's going on?
<qk> ....... i think... just write an email to our isp to ask ask...... they may 
   answer us...
<Wylie> yes i'm late
<AnY> hkbu !
<qk> hkbu?
<AnY> i think hkbu does this?
<vintam> So no one knows how to apply for a newsgroup?? :(
<AnY> ask hkbu ..?
<SammyFung> Welcome ar... Wylie.
<vintam> Who can ask hkbu?
<Wylie> hi Sammy
<SammyFung> apply a newsgroup... it takes a long time...
<SammyFung> So, I think it's impossible right now.
<SammyFung> Wylie, are you working ? or studying ?
<AnY> vintam: dunno..but i always see the hkbu notices in newsgrp about voting a 
   new newsgrp
<Wylie> i'm studying
<AnY> SammyFung: wylie is ur friend?
<vintam> Who's studying in HKBU and can ask for newsgroup matters?
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<SammyFung> HKLUG supporter > AnY
<SammyFung> Vin, it's impossible... it takes a long time...
<AnY> what?!
<qk> 2wah....powerful...
<Chicken-B> AnY ......
<qk> nothing.
<SammyFung> Bcs. it need users to vote on another newsgroup...
<AnY> but i think
<SammyFung> so, it is impossible...
<vintam> Sammy: What users?
<Chicken-B> hehehe
<AnY> hk.comp.lunix is better :)
<SammyFung> Wylie, which sch you're studying ? sec.sch ? univ ?
<Wylie> how about starzine>
<SammyFung> users on newsgroup.
<Wylie> F.7
<SammyFung> I see, Wylie.
<vintam> hklug in hkstar?? Looks impossible...
<SammyFung> Where do you live, Wylie ?
<SammyFung> Sure...
<Wylie> near causewaybay
<SammyFung> so Newsgrup is IMPOSSIBLE "NOW".
<SammyFung> I see.
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<SammyFung> HKLUG @ AnimeNet ? YEAP !
<SammyFung> Haaaaaaaaaaaa............... ! ;>
<vintam> Mark Hold now, Sammy.
<vintam> I'd like to Sammy, but our bandwidth is really impossible to support 
  more groups..
<Wylie> hey! Can we start at starzine (starforum.comp.unix)
<SammyFung> But... less people go there...
<vintam> We're holding Gameport and AnimeNet, 2 groups already make the day bad.
<SammyFung> so.... only promotion on newsgruop is possible.
<Wylie> We can CROSS-POST ma
<SammyFung> No, it's a joke only... Vin.
<qk> police will aress you...hahahaa..
<vintam> Don't do cross-post please, it'll affect our image to the public.
<SammyFung> My idea : Newsgroup of HKLUG is IMPOSSIBLE right NOW !
<vintam> Yes Sammy: I've marked HOLD for this matter.
<SammyFung> Not cross post...
<Wylie> How about ICQ?
<SammyFung> I post 1 by 1 manually to Linux related newsgrup
<qk> 3Okay then, and yea, no cross post
<SammyFung> 1 by 1...
<qk> 8haa..
<SammyFung> There's no information provided from my news ot say I am 
   crossposting...
<vintam> How about find a list of IRC servers be our official IRC chat rooms?
<SammyFung> unless users read many newsgrup la...
<SammyFung> We may use 2 server only..
<vintam> name them.
<SammyFung> 1 is irc.vol.net for Local traffic...
<SammyFung> 2 is irc.sprynet.com for bot.
<qk> got it.
<vintam> So, our official irc chat room will be in irc.vol.net (1st priority)
<vintam> then irc.sprynet.com
<qk> 2g3o4t 5i6t7.
<SammyFung> Yes, just like tonight :~~~
<AnY> u guyz have bot?
<SammyFung> qk.... don't use other displaying pls
<SammyFung> DoM have ma.... 
<Wylie> ha colorful
<SammyFung> Die Boy Bread DoM...
<qk> just play play ja ma....sammy...hehehe...
<vintam> Let's also open a/some online discussion forums in our homepage, ok?
<Wylie> hey! How about our HomePage?
<vintam> Yes. Just wanna goto our HOMEPAGE.
<Wylie> Where should we start?
<vintam> We should start discussing what we should put on our homepage before 
  construct it.
<qk> news, member list, linux related url....
<vintam> marking.
<SammyFung> Bcs. I dunno what did you type > qk
<Zep> ...i think we should collect some chinese documents
<qk> teach people to use linux...
<vintam> I also suggest some online discussion forums.
<qk> wah... I hate chinese documents..
<SammyFung> Vin... may you drop down points of this conference ?
<SammyFung> and then send to me by email ? > vin
<Wylie> or use simple English
<qk> they're house ghost fan.
<vintam> Sammy: I already done so when the meeting starts! :)
<SammyFung> Good... Vin
<vintam> So on our page:
<qk> i mean chinese words.
<vintam> - News, Member List, Linux related URL, Discussion Forum, Chinese 
  Documents.
<Wylie> Then put the homepoge to?
<vintam> That's what we'll have for our basic homepage?
<qk> what about alittle page to teach Linux?
<vintam> Most important - ABOUT US.
<qk> OoOOOo....and also important that what do HKLUG does.
<vintam> qk: Linux teaching room, marked down.
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<vintam> Introduction...
<Wylie> how about the history?
<qk> yeah, good idea.
<vintam> Formerly, we have no history wor.. :)
<qk> haha..
<Wylie> the father of linux
<qk> so we've soon.
<vintam> We can record what we've done first.
<qk> yea.... like the aims of HKLUG
<vintam> aims..
<qk> and proposal.
<Wylie> We can give some information for different kind of linux
<vintam> proposal... 
<vintam> qk: You mean projects we're going to do?
<qk> yeap.
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<qk> ar.................. HKLUG ADS too, content: ask people join us.
<vintam> So many ideas.. pls wait..
<Zep> i think there should have a newbie section, to help users like me
<Wylie> creat a CDR for latest version linux
<qk> wah......
<vintam> Zep: Linux teaching room would be mainly for newbie.
<qk> ....ermm.
<qk> very costly.
<qk> costy
<Wylie> no
<vintam> I can write CD-R, but not a large no.
<Zep> i like wynie 's idea
<Wylie> how about FTP?
<Wylie> can we have a FTP server?
<vintam> No, unless we have an ISP to sponsor us.
<Wylie> hey!
<qk> use BBS instead if we don't have ftp yet.
<Zep> open a linux bbs ?
<qk> as HKLUG for HK, BBS will be a powerful media.
<Wylie> Hey! pls go to this URL : ftp://wylie.dyn.ml.org
<SammyFung> FCS (Fidonet Communitee Standard) BBS
<qk> zep: don't know..
<vintam> Sammy: I don't think nowadays people know what is a BBS anymore...
<Wylie> that's my FTP server
<qk> haaa... vintam...so sad isn't it.....
<SammyFung> Yes, I knew.
<Wylie> i know what is BBS¡@¢é¢ð¡I
<vintam> OK.. :)
<vintam> but most new Internet users don't know.
<SammyFung> BBS = Bulletin Board System, I think most of us knew it already.
<qk> new computer user always think that, modem is use to play internet....... 
   so sad...
<SammyFung> ;)
<Wylie> too bad
<Wylie> too sad
<vintam> OK back to our discussion, seems there are many little ideas, let's 
  enlarge them.
<SammyFung> So, I always metion that : BBS is FREE OF CHARGE !
<qk> YEAH!
<vintam> Is it necessary to do CD-R distributing? Who provide the source?
<Wylie> which linux you are using?
<qk> Free of charge and cover the whole Hong Kong area.
<SammyFung> ¬õ ´U Linux
<qk> Redhat
<vintam> qk: yes, if they knows how to use BBS. :)
<vintam> Slackware.
<SammyFung> and its 5.0 will be released on Dec 1
<Wylie> slackware
<Zep> slackware distribution
<Wylie> who can download the newest linux from ftp?
<qk> so tell people where to get linux & linux info & about HKLUG from BBS
<SammyFung> 2 Hats 3 Slacks
<qk> haa..
<vintam> Will we do CDROM distribution? (if someone would get the latest for me)
<qk> distribut to who?
<Wylie> if someone can use the computer of university, he can download it quickly
<Zep> i think i can use my cityu server to download, it's free 
<vintam> And how to move it to your home? :)
<qk> buy from company package (e.g. infomagic) is already very cheap.
<Wylie> use MO la
<qk> who study CUHK ga?
<vintam> Yes really, but a CD-R is $17... :)
<SammyFung> CUHK = Chin Univ
<SammyFung> City = City Univ
<vintam> Our question is - can anybody get the distribution easily? Or else 
  we'll only point the user to the distribution links.
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<Wylie> but i think it's better give the CD & installation guide to newbies
<Zep> ...by the way, i am not using the newest version myself
<vintam> That is true.
<qk> me too.
<vintam> My Slackware is not slackware, I update the individual packages myself. 
  :P
<Zep> kernel 1.2.13 only...
<vintam> that old... 
<vintam> So, the conclusion is: better ask the users to buy a finished package?
<Zep> i don't need to upgrade for normal use
<qk> vintam: i think so
<qk> zep: but i really need ar.......... mine one can't reconigize 430TX
<vintam> qk: What kernel?
<Zep> my linux run on a 486 machine only
<qk> 2.0.27
<vintam> qk: 2.0.27 can't reconize 430TX... try 2.0.32...
<vintam> qk: I hope it can..
<qk> okay.. if i've time to get it.... >_<
<vintam> :)
<vintam> Anybody tired?
<Zep> is still early ?
<Wylie> no
<Zep> what's time now
<Wylie> no
<vintam> If you want to stop here I'll conclude.
<SammyFung> Vote : CONTinue/STOP ?
<SammyFung> Let's vote
<SammyFung> CONTinue
<vintam> Continue
<Zep> con
<Wylie> ha! i Cont to see news
<vintam> So Wylie will leave?
<vintam> Anybody here?
<qk> yea...i'm here.
<Wylie> hey! i'm still alive
<Zep> sorry, here
<vintam> OK let's go on.
<vintam> What do you think, can we have a regular newsletter?
<Zep> what 's next ?
<qk> okay, but may have some difficultlies...
<qk> we're all busy man....
<vintam> It's only a weekly/bi-weekly/monthly news on Linux.
<SammyFung> Who're authors then ?
<qk> hahaa..
<Wylie> the experts?
<qk> I think monthly la.. if we really do so.
<vintam> We need some supporters who can get latest Linux news, and submit 
  articles.
<Wylie> yes
<vintam> Then, we may ask in our membership form if anybody will help the 
  newsletter.
<qk> sorry i think i've to leave... may vintam/anyone email the concluded 
   results to all HKLUG supporters?
<vintam> Can Sammy do this job?
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<SammyFung> bi-monthly / seasonal la... about newsletter
<SammyFung> Do what you mean ? vin
<vintam> Sammy: Distribute this meeting's conclusion to all members.
<SammyFung> But I didn't drop down anything.
<SammyFung> :(
<vintam> Sammy: For the newsletter details, we may need to send a survey to ask 
  if any people will help us.
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<Wylie> seeya!
<vintam> Sammy: I'll send you the cons, as you have the contact list and you're 
  more familar with distribution, you do the dist. job. :)
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<SammyFung> Vin, you may send the your report of this conference to me and I 
   will send it out by my mailing list
<vintam> yeah.
<SammyFung> OK, then you send it to me...
<vintam> But from your mailing list, I got tons of CC, any method to get rid of 
  this?
<SammyFung> No, coz. our users are quite... Ha Ha !
<SammyFung> And it seems they added our mailing list as an alias
<[DoM]> oh
<[DoM]> why the op.........?
<[DoM]> get lost?
<vintam> So, nearly final law.
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<vintam> All gone then nearly final law..
<vintam> Don't go so fast...
<vintam> Let's have a final discussion, ok?
<[DoM]> ooh
<[DoM]> so.
<[DoM]> how'z hklug?
<SammyFung> Ar... you back la... Mr. DOM !
<SammyFung> Back
<vintam> Well...
<SammyFung> with girls ?
<SammyFung> ended lu... :)
<SammyFung> 95% ended.
<vintam> When will our next meeting hold?
<SammyFung> you have gf ? 
<SammyFung> Vin, you suggest la...
<vintam> How about next weekend?
<SammyFung> DoM, answer me...
<SammyFung> fri/sat/sun ?
<vintam> weekend, SAT.
<SammyFung> time ?
<vintam> Same?
<SammyFung> OK, I will announce then...
<SammyFung> bye la...
<vintam> Wait..
<SammyFung> no opr....
<SammyFung> :>
<vintam> o well..
<vintam> I'll discuss with you about the next meething ga la..
<SammyFung> but... Wilkin Lo is....
<SammyFung> and AnY is....
<vintam> continue ICQ..
<vintam> Ok stop here today, I'll send the conclude to Sammy and discuss next 
  meeting's details.
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<vintam> qk?
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<vintam> Everybody are you here?
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-> *qk* hello?
<qk> yea.
<qk> just come to see see.... i leave bcs i'v to finish the chem report ASAP
<vintam> Our meeting is 'probably' finished...
<SammyFung> Ok... our discussion is end now...
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<qk> end?
<qk> then.....
<vintam> I'll send the report to Sammy and he'll distribute it with next meeting's details. :)
<qk> vintam here?
<vintam> I'm here.
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<qk> vintam are you here ?
<vintam> Cya later. :)
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Session Close: Sun Nov 23 00:36:04 1997